Apparently the R5/R6 is now slated for Aug/Sep according to the rumors site.
Canon R5
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Mike Lewis
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Looking forward to this. July 9th announcement for R5, R6, and a bunch of lenses not too far away. Of course September availability is not as fast as many would like but easily understandable under the circumstances.
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Kyle Jones
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I've started the switch to the Panasonic L-Mount system. My 5DS R is now gone. Keeping the R for wildlife and walk-around and will likely pick up something from Canon for my trip to Africa next year.
Mike Lewis
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Excited for R5 announcement tomorrow - so far all the specs look really good to me.
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I am glad you are reading the fine print Jeffrey!
That should be cool Jeffrey!
Well the camera is announced, almost $4000 which is too expensive for a 5 mp drop in resolution over my 5DSR. I think I will wait until the 5DSR replacement is announced or the price drops.
Some features it does have that I like are a tilt screen, Wi Fi and Bluetooth and maybe better focusing. Contrary to popular perception, I am ok with the noise on my 5DSR since I seldom do high iso imaging and after my recent Milky Way effort, I decided it was not my thing.
Some features it does have that I like are a tilt screen, Wi Fi and Bluetooth and maybe better focusing. Contrary to popular perception, I am ok with the noise on my 5DSR since I seldom do high iso imaging and after my recent Milky Way effort, I decided it was not my thing.
I am mulling this over. Lot of things to like about it. For the size I print (occasionally) the 5mp drop doesn’t bother me. The extra DR on the other hand is welcome and so is an articulating screen. I don’t do video so a lot of value in that body is lost for me.
Didn’t see in the announcement but I hope they do have a BT based remote.
Browsing some early reports and announced specs, a couple of things that I like and sound compelling are:
1. One stop improvement in DR over the R, which has pretty much the same sensor tech as the 5DIV. 5DIV has much better DR compared to the 5DsR and better high ISO noise.
2. Zebras for exposure.
3. 5 Stop IBIS for better hand held shots.
All that said I'm not in a hurry so won't be pre-ordering but most likely getting it once the early excitement cools down and prices stabilize and hopefully available without long waits.
1. One stop improvement in DR over the R, which has pretty much the same sensor tech as the 5DIV. 5DIV has much better DR compared to the 5DsR and better high ISO noise.
2. Zebras for exposure.
3. 5 Stop IBIS for better hand held shots.
All that said I'm not in a hurry so won't be pre-ordering but most likely getting it once the early excitement cools down and prices stabilize and hopefully available without long waits.
Mike Lewis
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So just to put a bow on this post, I pre-ordered one of these. Since I hesitated until Saturday, I will almost assuredly not be seeing mine for a while. I have a 5DSr, and shoot almost exclusively scenic, although I am starting to branch out into some more wildlife. I also like to shoot nightscape stuff. Here are my final thoughts, after all the initial info/hype/criticism/etc.
1) I have heard all the hand wringing about overheating. I as of now do not shoot video. I could not even tell you what the supported video modes are in my 5DSr. I may play with video some on the R5, but cannot imagine I will use it much if at all. The only interesting thing immediately would be screen grabs of 8K footage to make 33 MB images from. But when one looks at all that would be entailed to accomplish that, the 20 fps or 12 fps modes are likely much better. So I could care less about video overheating.
2) I wanted to leave MFA behind, and get the advantages of reliable AF. The R5 appears to satisfy that and then some, with what appears to be a fantastically upgraded AF system over my 5DSR. Just having 100% coverage for AF points alone make this a winner for me, not even considering how much more capable the AF system is.
3) I wanted to have better hand-hold-ability for images, as I am frequently in situations where a tripod is just not an option. The IBIS combined with IS looks to totally accomplish that.
4) if I want to shoot wildlife, the new animal AF and frame rates look to make this a killer rig for that.
5) Better DR and high ISO than the 5DSr mean this should be big jump up for low light or nightscape over the 5DSr.
6) Even considering the change back to an AA filter, I am almost certain in real life the delta between the 5DSr and the R5 with respect to resolution will not be discernible in any practical scenario, including printing at 20 x 30 or larger. I will keep the 5DSr for the short term anyway (it is already worth almost nothing as a used camera) so I can do my own testing on this, but I doubt I am really losing any practical landscape shooting capability by swapping to a 45MP body from my 50MP body.
7) Other than the expense, the swap to RF lenses looks very attractive. My current kit of EF 16-35 f/4 L, EF 24-105 f/4 L Mk I, and EF 70-300 f4-5.6 L have been great. But moving to the RF 15-35 f/2.8 L, and the RF 24-105 f/4 L right away, and then eventually maybe the RF 100-500 f/4-7.1 L (with maybe also the RF 70-200 f/4 L if it gets released and looks compact) will be a definite upgrade.
Lots of other compelling features for me, but those are the top ones. I have been saving up money over the past 2.5 years to make the jump to Canon mirrorless once they had a compelling offering. And I have always said I love my 5DSr, but the things I have wished could be improved were 'no more MFA worries,' better AF, faster FPS, and better high ISO and/or DR. The R5 gives me all of those things. I imagine a high rez R body in the 60 to 80 MP range will be a good camera, but in practice the delta in resolution is not that great over 45MP, and unless it is 2 years in the future at least, I expect it will not match the R5 on FPS, noise, or DR.
So this becomes a rather nice retirement present for me, once I get myself retired (hopefully no later than September, we will see how that goes...)
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1) I have heard all the hand wringing about overheating. I as of now do not shoot video. I could not even tell you what the supported video modes are in my 5DSr. I may play with video some on the R5, but cannot imagine I will use it much if at all. The only interesting thing immediately would be screen grabs of 8K footage to make 33 MB images from. But when one looks at all that would be entailed to accomplish that, the 20 fps or 12 fps modes are likely much better. So I could care less about video overheating.
2) I wanted to leave MFA behind, and get the advantages of reliable AF. The R5 appears to satisfy that and then some, with what appears to be a fantastically upgraded AF system over my 5DSR. Just having 100% coverage for AF points alone make this a winner for me, not even considering how much more capable the AF system is.
3) I wanted to have better hand-hold-ability for images, as I am frequently in situations where a tripod is just not an option. The IBIS combined with IS looks to totally accomplish that.
4) if I want to shoot wildlife, the new animal AF and frame rates look to make this a killer rig for that.
5) Better DR and high ISO than the 5DSr mean this should be big jump up for low light or nightscape over the 5DSr.
6) Even considering the change back to an AA filter, I am almost certain in real life the delta between the 5DSr and the R5 with respect to resolution will not be discernible in any practical scenario, including printing at 20 x 30 or larger. I will keep the 5DSr for the short term anyway (it is already worth almost nothing as a used camera) so I can do my own testing on this, but I doubt I am really losing any practical landscape shooting capability by swapping to a 45MP body from my 50MP body.
7) Other than the expense, the swap to RF lenses looks very attractive. My current kit of EF 16-35 f/4 L, EF 24-105 f/4 L Mk I, and EF 70-300 f4-5.6 L have been great. But moving to the RF 15-35 f/2.8 L, and the RF 24-105 f/4 L right away, and then eventually maybe the RF 100-500 f/4-7.1 L (with maybe also the RF 70-200 f/4 L if it gets released and looks compact) will be a definite upgrade.
Lots of other compelling features for me, but those are the top ones. I have been saving up money over the past 2.5 years to make the jump to Canon mirrorless once they had a compelling offering. And I have always said I love my 5DSr, but the things I have wished could be improved were 'no more MFA worries,' better AF, faster FPS, and better high ISO and/or DR. The R5 gives me all of those things. I imagine a high rez R body in the 60 to 80 MP range will be a good camera, but in practice the delta in resolution is not that great over 45MP, and unless it is 2 years in the future at least, I expect it will not match the R5 on FPS, noise, or DR.
So this becomes a rather nice retirement present for me, once I get myself retired (hopefully no later than September, we will see how that goes...)
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I have studied this, I probably don't need more than 45MP, but was really waiting for the high res 5D R replacement, a studio camera, not a sports or video camera. I don't want an AA filter and you could put in the most rudimentary video features. I also prefer a single SD card or two SD cards, but not two different kinds of card.
Also it's too expensive because I will still want the studio version of this camera and can't get both.
Also it's too expensive because I will still want the studio version of this camera and can't get both.
Not sure when the 'studio' camera will come given its not even in a serious rumor stage. Some of the other things you mention like 2x SD cards instead of CFExpress and SD are not likely to happen. If anything the high res version will also come with pretty good if not high end video functionality to justify the pricing.
Reports are that the R5 has least two stops better DR as well as high ISO performance (compared to 5DsR) and resolves better than the 5DsR given the same lens on both.
Video doesn't interest me either and so some of the heating issues related to 8K video are non issue for me.
I am very interested in this as a companion to the 5DsR (I am down to only one body right now). Most likely it will be a few months before I contemplate it.
Reports are that the R5 has least two stops better DR as well as high ISO performance (compared to 5DsR) and resolves better than the 5DsR given the same lens on both.
Video doesn't interest me either and so some of the heating issues related to 8K video are non issue for me.
I am very interested in this as a companion to the 5DsR (I am down to only one body right now). Most likely it will be a few months before I contemplate it.
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Mike Lewis
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B&H still telling me that mine should ship by end of month. Really hope that holds up. Going to be a significant investment, with RF 24-105 and RF 15-35 to start. Could also see an RF 100-500 in my future, but trying to resist that one for now at least. R5 and 2 lenses will certainly be a nice retirement present 
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My order at B&H just says back ordered, hope it's here for at least some fall color. I am sticking with my EF lens and a converter for now. I wil lbe anxious to see how well you like the 15-35.B&H still telling me that mine should ship by end of month. Really hope that holds up. Going to be a significant investment, with RF 24-105 and RF 15-35 to start. Could also see an RF 100-500 in my future, but trying to resist that one for now at least. R5 and 2 lenses will certainly be a nice retirement present
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Mike Lewis
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Ben,
I did not realize you had decided to order an R5? Very cool! Who did you order from - do you have a delivery estimate yet?
I had been very happy with my EF 16-35 F/4, until a very rough moment when the contents of my camera bag ended up strewn across the concrete floor at the DIA security checkpoint about 4 years ago. My 5DsR landed on the corner of its L bracket, and came out unscathed. My 70-300 F/4-5.6 L IS was visibly broken. My 24-105 F/4 L IS was on the camera and seemed to be untouched as well. But my 16-34 F/4 L IS, while appearing fine physically, was never quite right after that. I initially sent the 70-300 in for repair and it came back good as new. Eventually, after noticing softness in the corners that seemed worse than when I got the lens originally, I sent in the 16-35 too. It came back, but the problem has largely persisted. I have still taken some good images with it, but I am hopeful the 15-35 will outperform it in many ways. The extra stop is of less importance to me, and in fact if an RF F/4 version that was lighter and smaller were available yet I would opt for that instead, although I think at F/2.8 the current RF 15-35 could be pressed into service as a nightscape lens as well. It appears to be extremely good on star shapes in the corners wide open at 15mm...
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I did not realize you had decided to order an R5? Very cool! Who did you order from - do you have a delivery estimate yet?
I had been very happy with my EF 16-35 F/4, until a very rough moment when the contents of my camera bag ended up strewn across the concrete floor at the DIA security checkpoint about 4 years ago. My 5DsR landed on the corner of its L bracket, and came out unscathed. My 70-300 F/4-5.6 L IS was visibly broken. My 24-105 F/4 L IS was on the camera and seemed to be untouched as well. But my 16-34 F/4 L IS, while appearing fine physically, was never quite right after that. I initially sent the 70-300 in for repair and it came back good as new. Eventually, after noticing softness in the corners that seemed worse than when I got the lens originally, I sent in the 16-35 too. It came back, but the problem has largely persisted. I have still taken some good images with it, but I am hopeful the 15-35 will outperform it in many ways. The extra stop is of less importance to me, and in fact if an RF F/4 version that was lighter and smaller were available yet I would opt for that instead, although I think at F/2.8 the current RF 15-35 could be pressed into service as a nightscape lens as well. It appears to be extremely good on star shapes in the corners wide open at 15mm...
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Thanks for the reply Mike. My order is with B&H on August 28, it says back-ordered with no est of when.
I have the 11-24 f4 which is usable for night, but a 15-35 would be better. It all depends on how good the NR is on the 5R.
I have the 11-24 f4 which is usable for night, but a 15-35 would be better. It all depends on how good the NR is on the 5R.
Surprisingly B&H shipped mine within about 10 days of ordering it. Apparently their ordering system is messed up with orders from Aug still outstanding. Also received my RF-EF adapter. Tried a few test shots with the adapted EF lenses. The adapter does extend the lenses quite a bit negating the advantage of the smaller body. I have also ordered a RF 24-105L which should come early next week. Hoping to put this through its paces on a trip to Mt Rainier next week.
I am pleasantly surprised by how good the EVF is. In decent light it is no different than the OVF with added advantages that an EVF offers. So far I am pretty happy with it. For now I am still keeping my 5DsR and the EF lenses. I might rethink the lens line up a bit down the road. Just going with one native RF lens which is almost 60% of my use anyway. It could go up a bit if the RF 24-105 is improved on the wide end compared to the EF version.
I am pleasantly surprised by how good the EVF is. In decent light it is no different than the OVF with added advantages that an EVF offers. So far I am pretty happy with it. For now I am still keeping my 5DsR and the EF lenses. I might rethink the lens line up a bit down the road. Just going with one native RF lens which is almost 60% of my use anyway. It could go up a bit if the RF 24-105 is improved on the wide end compared to the EF version.
Keep us posted Jameel. I have two adaptors now, the standard and CPL version, but no camera.