Waterfall Wednesday 1/3/18

AlanLichty

Moderator
I'm not sure that banning tour buses is the answer, since they do improve accessibility and hopefully reduce the number of cars in the parks. But maybe they could ban large tour buses and limit the quantities so you don't suddenly get 100 people dropped onto a viewpoint... That could create some better, more personalized tours too.
The presence of the other tourists may be annoying but they do have just as much right to be there as we do. It's interesting to be hanging out someplace like Sunset Point at Bryce and contemplate just how many different languages are being spoken around you.

I like the buses in Zion - I get to rubberneck all I want without running my car into the Virgin River :D
 

Kyle Jones

Moderator
The presence of the other tourists may be annoying but they do have just as much right to be there as we do. It's interesting to be hanging out someplace like Sunset Point at Bryce and contemplate just how many different languages are being spoken around you.

I like the buses in Zion - I get to rubberneck all I want without running my car into the Virgin River :D
I like the Zion shuttle as well - but that's a different thing. Other tourists is fine, I agree we all have an equal right to be there. Where I struggle is the large tour buses that heard people from icon to icon where they completely take over the spot for half an hour - and then move on to the next. I'd just like to restrict the size of those buses in the national parks.
 

AlanLichty

Moderator
I like the Zion shuttle as well - but that's a different thing. Other tourists is fine, I agree we all have an equal right to be there. Where I struggle is the large tour buses that heard people from icon to icon where they completely take over the spot for half an hour - and then move on to the next. I'd just like to restrict the size of those buses in the national parks.
I hear you loud and clear on the big buses - I have been swarmed more than once from one of those belching out passengers. And for the record last time I drove past the parking lot to Lower Antelope there were two of them in there and 4 over at the Upper Canyon parking lot.
 
Had to think about the date for a minute - a new year for falling water images. :)

I have another set of unnamed falls along (you guessed it) Sweet Creek. There is one more set above this before you get to the falls actually named Sweet Creek Falls.


Pile on with your own waterfall images....
I'm with Monica on this one. Here is an image of Manebezho Falls in Porcupine Mountains State Park in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. An Asian invasion attacked me as well. I was there first, they came and I wanted to relocate to a different perspective. I had to wait for over an hour before they finished and much of the time they were just chatting.

I was at the Grand Canyon a year ago shooting a sunset when a group of Asians jumped up on the rock in front of me that I was using for a foreground and proceeded to take selfies in different poses for fifteen to twenty minutes. They pretended they didn't understand me when I asked them politely if I could have a moment to shoot the scene. The best light came and went.

Manebezho Falls, Porcupine Mountains State Park, MI.jpg
 
Had to think about the date for a minute - a new year for falling water images. :)

I have another set of unnamed falls along (you guessed it) Sweet Creek. There is one more set above this before you get to the falls actually named Sweet Creek Falls.


Pile on with your own waterfall images....
Very nice, Alan.
 
Tower Falls in Yellowstone, taken between busloads of Japanese tourists. I had almost set up when all of a sudden, I was completely surrounded by Japanese tourists, all crowding as close to my as they could. On top, squeezing under, leaning in from the sides -- it could have been Mesa Arch :eek: ! And then they were gone.
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Nice job, Monica. I know exactly what you are talking about. See my post below.
 

MonikaC

Well-Known Member
I'm with Monica on this one. Here is an image of Manebezho Falls in Porcupine Mountains State Park in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. An Asian invasion attacked me as well. I was there first, they came and I wanted to relocate to a different perspective. I had to wait for over an hour before they finished and much of the time they were just chatting.

I was at the Grand Canyon a year ago shooting a sunset when a group of Asians jumped up on the rock in front of me that I was using for a foreground and proceeded to take selfies in different poses for fifteen to twenty minutes. They pretended they didn't understand me when I asked them politely if I could have a moment to shoot the scene. The best light came and went.

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While these incidents are regrettable, they still "only" impact a photograph (important as they may be to us). There was an account of Chinese tourists in Iceland who rented a 4x4 and did donuts in the fragile highlands, tearing up the moss & other undergrowth which can take 50 years to recover. Luckily, in this age of everybody photographing or video-ing everything with their phones, they were caught on video, the video was turned over to authorities & the culprits were caught. They were made to "restore" the area they tore up, but, as I said, (according to my friend in Iceland) it takes 50 (or more) years for the fragile land to recover. When I was there a few years ago, the year that China started allowing their citizens to go to Iceland, I noticed that the Chinese tourists were speaking Cantonese, not Mandarin as most Chinese tourists I've encountered in the past. And the Chinese are not the only ones who think that "off road driving" means driving in roadless areas. There are many Europeans who have been driving across the grass/moss in Iceland (as well as driving way too fast on the back country roads, sometimes forgetting which side they're supposed to be on, or having the thrill of big spray when they gun it through a river crossing, not knowing that they're trashing the river bed. As a side note here: many of the rental companies have license plates on the front of the vehicles that come off with the back pressure of water washing up behind the plates with river crossings. No insurance covers damage to the vehicle with river crossings, so if you return a rental sans front license plate, they know that you were doing something you weren't insured for.)
 

MonikaC

Well-Known Member
I like the Zion shuttle as well - but that's a different thing. Other tourists is fine, I agree we all have an equal right to be there. Where I struggle is the large tour buses that heard people from icon to icon where they completely take over the spot for half an hour - and then move on to the next. I'd just like to restrict the size of those buses in the national parks.
I'd rather be behind a shuttle bus that moves from stop to stop to disgorge its passengers than a passenger car/truck that stops in the middle of the road to watch animals or let somebody take a picture either from the vehicle or hops out to take a snapshot. And seeing a tour bus parked at the trailhead of a popular area lets me know to go somewhere less popular (another trail or go in the opposite direction). As hard as this is to believe, I've even seen a tour bus at White Pocket..... It was even parked down below the main parking area, where there's a pretty sandy hill. I swore then I'd never go there over or close to a weekend again!
 
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