Starting off the New Year with a Bang!

JimFox

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Everything lined up for me to be able to get out to Joshua Tree for perhaps my last shot at Comet Leonard. The forecast had been for clear skies, then today it showed afternoon clouds clearing in the evening. So while my focus was on the comet, I also knew it wasn't a sure bet, so as I saw the clouds in the sky as I was driving, I began to change my focus from finding a nice spot in the park with a clear view to the SW so no hills or trees were blocking the comet, to can I get into the park before the sky blows up as I could see with the positioning of the clouds it was going to be a grand sunset!

The problem on weekends, and especially holiday weekends on getting into Joshua Tree, is the most inefficient method of letting visitors into the park of ALL of the National Parks, and it mean it. It's like the Rangers in Joshua Tree all sat around a few years ago and brain stormed on how can we make it as miserable and slow as possible for visitors to get into the park. The main entrance is outside of the town of Joshua Tree, and it's totally common to see anywhere from 30 to 50 cars lined up to get through the single lane into the park. Other National Parks when the line starts to get long will have a 2nd Ranger walk down the line, find out who as Annual Passes, and let them drive on the side and pass by the Pay Booth. How simple is that solution? Simple... Have they ever done it? No... So looking on the map to where I had stuck a pin as to where I thought I would shoot the Comet at on the Loop Road, it was of course showing a long Red Line of traffic on Apple Maps. But what was even more odd, was there was a red line on the map on the Exit lane that was perhaps 5 or 6 times longer, indicating hundreds of cars stuck trying to get out of the park.

My solution to this for years now, has been to drive another 30 minutes down to the town of Twentynine Palms, and enter into the park from that side. For some reason no one ever goes down there, so there is never more then 2 or 3 cars in line waiting to pay and get in. Well, as I was approaching the town of Joshua Tree today, there was one of those temporary road signs used for construction set on the side of the road, flashing that the Joshua Tree entrance was jammed, drive down to the Twentynine Palms entrance. Ugh... someone had figured out my secret! But guessing, I figured it was still my best bet, even though it was a bit longer to get there, I would still bet it had less traffic. And sunset was fast approaching. I had decided that the sunset now was my priority. It would mean getting set up for the Leonard Comet a bit later, but it was a risk I was going to take, I just had to be able to get into the park so I could get some nice foregrounds to go along with the awesome sunset I was expecting.

As I was approaching the Twentynine Palms entrance station, I could see 2 cars a head of me! That was perfect! It should only take 2 or 3 minutes to get through and looking out my window the clouds were taking on some super cool shapes and starting to turn golden as the sun was very very low now. After I showed the Ranger my pass and got to driving, to a spot I knew of just 5 minutes ahead that would give me great foregrounds and some nice views to both the East and the West I saw that there was a huge line waiting to exit the park. At least 100 cars in line, waiting to pay as they exited, or show their pass as they exit... wow... what a horrible way to finish up a trip. I mean if you are checking people as they enter the park, how about letting that be enough? Sure some people could enter from down by Indio and take the southern route in and maybe not have paid, or maybe a few people slipped in somehow, but come on. Missing a couple of cars isn't going to kill the Park. Visiting a National Park should be a fun, exciting time. Having to spend 1 to 2 hours in lines to enter and to exit??? That's just rude and inconsiderate.

Now, one day supposedly this will be corrected as they have been building a 2 lane entrance station at the Joshua Tree entrance for a few years now. Some day it has to be finished I suppose?

That's my rant for the day. It just it sickens me, as Joshua Tree and Yosemite are my home National Parks, and to see in this case the Joshua Tree NP so mismanaged, really makes me sad.

Anyway... on to one of the photos, I got on New Years Day! What a grand way to ring in the New Year!

All comments are welcome,

Jim

PS. This is sunset. I lost that fact in all of my words.

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AlanLichty

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A really nice sunrise scene with some good desert colors. Perhaps even more so after the ordeal of getting into the park.

I do everything I can to avoid parks and attractions on weekends and especially holiday weekends.
 

JimFox

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A really nice sunrise scene with some good desert colors. Perhaps even more so after the ordeal of getting into the park.

I do everything I can to avoid parks and attractions on weekends and especially holiday weekends.
Thanks Alan, I am glad you liked it.

The problem here isn’t the crowds, it’s the Parks mismanagement. Once you get into the park, Joshua Tree is huge, and generally speaking the crowds totally disappear so you can easily have an experience without crowds.
 

Ben Egbert

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Beautiful image Jim, too bad about the poor park management. My New Years goal is to find places outside of parks and that don't require complex permits. After I do the Maze one last time and maybe Elephant Hill, I will start this process.
 

JimFox

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Thanks so much Ben.

Yeah, there is a lot of cool places outside the parks, that will be a fun adventure for you to start discovering those.
 

MonikaC

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You got a nice image for you persistence. Wasn't there some pretty bad vandalism at JT the other year? I mean all vandalism is bad, but I seem to recall it was beyond the usual.

That's just one example of why I generally don't go to NPs......
 

lionking

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Happy new year Jim, looks like a very pleasant present, that light is really a cracker.
Great work.

Best wishes!
 

Aaron Macomber

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Great image Jim! Glad you got through all the mess in time to make it!

Being a former Park Service employee, I would encourage you to write the Park Superintendant; they will read it. Just having one of the LE rangers out front scanning passes makes a huge difference and I promise you, they have nothing better to do there. Some parks have a heavy LE need (Glen Canyon, Lake Mead, Grand Canyon, etc.) But Joshua Tree wouldn’t be one of them. They’d likely be static on the side of some road poaching speeders..

I have only been to Joshua Tree once, and I’m not sure I’ll ever go back, it was a miserable experience for me. The park was packed with foreign tourists, and by packed I mean several hundred. Camping was terrible as well with aformentioned tourists literally walking through my camp and around the fire like i wasnt even there, unreal! I also found the skyglow to the west and the large amount of air traffic on the glide path to be offputting as well when it came to night photography. I dont know, maybe I’m just spoiled having grown up in MT and wide open spaces.

Wow, two paragraphs.. I think that's a new record for me :)
 

Jim Dockery

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Dang, what a bummer. I haven't been there for many years and now I don't want to return. Very nice shot.
 

Jeffrey

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Great image, Jim.

The state of California has shot itself in the foot with their ridiculous and socially harmful legislation requiring massive construction of new housing everywhere, especially in places that, until recently, were somewhat protected from the onslaught of population density and greed. It was just a matter of time until the powerful and greedy construction and real estate industry lobbyists finally wore down the elected politicians that should have been protecting their territories from such rampant destruction.

Joshua Tree NP was once a small natural area that easily handled the low numbers of adventurous visitors back then. It eventually went from a national monument to a natural moneymint (Thanks for that Edward Abbey). There is sorely inadequate infrastructure, personnel or resources to accommodate the raging popularity of visiting national parks nowadays. Parking is always full and overflowing, and the place is being ruined.

Jim, you should have known what to expect, especially on a holiday.
 

JimFox

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You got a nice image for you persistence. Wasn't there some pretty bad vandalism at JT the other year? I mean all vandalism is bad, but I seem to recall it was beyond the usual.

That's just one example of why I generally don't go to NPs......
Thank you Monika!

Are you referring to Vandalism or Graffiti? There had been some of both when the pandemic hit and people were running wild thanks to Social Media. But those were limited and isolated incidents. Joshua Tree doesn’t look like a gang hang out, nor would you have even seen the 1 Joshua Tree pulled down unless you knew exactly where to look.
 

JimFox

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Happy new year Jim, looks like a very pleasant present, that light is really a cracker.
Great work.

Best wishes!
Happy New Year Andrey!!! Thanks so much, it was an awesome sunset indeed, and it was a joy to have it going off and I was running around the desert like a Jack Rabbit trying to capture it all.
 

JimFox

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Great image Jim! Glad you got through all the mess in time to make it!

Being a former Park Service employee, I would encourage you to write the Park Superintendant; they will read it. Just having one of the LE rangers out front scanning passes makes a huge difference and I promise you, they have nothing better to do there. Some parks have a heavy LE need (Glen Canyon, Lake Mead, Grand Canyon, etc.) But Joshua Tree wouldn’t be one of them. They’d likely be static on the side of some road poaching speeders..

I have only been to Joshua Tree once, and I’m not sure I’ll ever go back, it was a miserable experience for me. The park was packed with foreign tourists, and by packed I mean several hundred. Camping was terrible as well with aformentioned tourists literally walking through my camp and around the fire like i wasnt even there, unreal! I also found the skyglow to the west and the large amount of air traffic on the glide path to be offputting as well when it came to night photography. I dont know, maybe I’m just spoiled having grown up in MT and wide open spaces.

Wow, two paragraphs.. I think that's a new record for me :)

You wrote up a storm! :)

I might have to think about writing like you suggested. Thanks for the idea.

My issue wasn’t really the crowds to get in, I went around the big line by going to the lesser used entrance and it only took me 3 minutes to get through. It was just the stupidity of there even being lines that I guess got me to the breaking point. I don’t do well with stupid is my issue… :)

People walking through campsites or the amount of people in general don’t bother me, since I have spent most of my life in SoCal, so crowds are like breathing… so I am different then most of you in I am not bothered by the crowds. It was just the stupidity of a badly designed entrance to the park that really got to me, though it didn’t affect me.

Joshua Tree is a dark sky area, but only if you look up. ;) the light on the horizon keeps getting worse each year. So if you are shooting the Stars or Milky Way out in the area where it’s the large open plains, then it’s for sure an issue. I have been trying to set up in areas now where I have the rock piles in my composition blocking the horizon to help mitigate that issue.

Back to the camping, because there are lots of rocks there and people like to climb on rocks, walking through campsites Is nothing new. I started going out there when I was 16, and it’s just the way it was. You have an area to camp, but it’s always been accepted that it’s open.

Jeffrey mentioned it in his comment here about how Joshua Tree grew. And it has. As I mentioned I started going out there when I was 16. A couple of my friends, we would hit the grocery store after school, get our camping gear and cameras, and drive out there. Sometimes not getting there until 10pm, but there was always campsites open. Now? There are a couple first come first serve campsites but they are super small. The rest require reservations. So sadly the good old days are gone. For me they disappeared the day the professional rock climbers found it and took over the campgrounds 30 years ago. We always rock climbed out there, but it was just free climbing we did as locals.

I still love Joshua Tree. It’s my favorite place to shoot at night and is awesome during the day. I plan on going back out there in 2 days for more night sky adventures!
 

JimFox

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Dang, what a bummer. I haven't been there for many years and now I don't want to return. Very nice shot.
Thanks Jim.

You should come back down. I still love Joshua Tree and go out there a lot. My angst was at the stupidity of having long lines to enter or exit the park. But I mentioned that since I knew of the lesser used entrance, I wasn’t personally affected by it. I just don’t do well with stupid…

But as to Joshua Tree as a place to go? Yosemite (another place with lines) and Joshua Tree are still my 2 favorite National Parks. The moment you do get in? The crowds disappear because Joshua Tree is so huge.
 
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