Digitizing olde slides

AlanLichty

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I used to use a Nikon SuperCoolScan 4000 when I first starting moving over to digital and had pretty mixed results that were usually a bit disappointing relative to what I could see for color/light with a loupe. I tried various software solutions and ended up using SilverFast software but still was never impressed much by the results. Most of my slide collection has been sitting on shelves ever since.

I recently ran across an archive article in Outdoor Photographer by George Lepp where he was answering questions from readers about scanning film to digital and was surprised at his response - use a copy stand and simply shoot the slide with a DSLR. I read where Dan Swiger used this for one of his images on here a little while back and at the time thought that would be a makeshift solution at best but Lepp's take was that a high end DSLR has better sensors than a lot of scanners. I pondered over that and decided to test that thought out. I wanted to see what I could do with what I had on hand if possible before spending money on a copy stand, etc. so I scrounged around my boxes of old gear and found a Nikon window mount I tried using at the local wildlife refuge. It could open wide enough to clamp onto something just over 1/2 inch thick so I made up a quick stand out of scraps in my woodshop. I grabbed two macro extension tubes (20mm and 36mm) and combined that with a good fast lens - a Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L and mounted this over a light box on a Canon 5D Mk IV:

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The hard part was getting the camera level and finding the right height so I could fill the frame. Level wasn't hard with a bubble surface level and I have a Manfrotto quick mount that allows me to pull the camera off quickly without disturbing the position of the Nikon window mount. The zoom on the lens gave me a little flexibility for the mounting height. I use my Hoodman loupe to assist with fine focus and a cable release so the camera stays steady when I squeeze off a shot.

I was fully prepared to be highly disappointed and was going to be glad I didn't spend a dime to make this setup and then started taking some images.

I am still astonished at how well this actually works and how pathetic it makes the scans I got from my old scanner look. I have a number of images that I scanned on the old scanner that I have nursed along through the years to make them appear not dated and this simply blew them away. I have much better control over light - especially dynamic range - and colors are far more faithful to the original slides. The best part yet - this fits perfectly into my workflow of bringing new material into Lightroom for cataloging and ACR touchups before taking them into Photoshop.

This is an example of a slide scan using this technique:

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The old scanner had troubles with the shadows and the harsh light on the remains of the carved stairs with nowhere near the level of detail I got from this technique. FWIW - the image is of a set of Nabataean stairs carved into the sandstones near Beidha just north of Petra.

The downside - my homemade stand is good for what it is - about 2 hours total in my shop including waiting for the glue to dry and free since it was on hand scraps. What it isn't is a super strong stand that doesn't let my camera wobble when I am getting ready to shoot so I have to wait for the image to become stable while watching via Live View before squeezing off the shot. The 1/2" plywood upright I had to use in order to clamp with the window mount allows for oscillations with the weight of the camera mounted like this and even though I used side bracing on the upright it's not a match for a metal stand.

At this point I am convinced this is a workable path and I will go ahead and acquire a real copy stand for the job.

Is this a common technique for digitizing old slides? If so I have been living under a rock and was not aware this could be done so easily.
 

JimFox

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Very common. At least for me, I have used this method for years. For me it just made sense as my digital camera was a much higher resolution in terms of size compared to any scanner.

So now, since you discovered this, you are going to have to go buy the new Nikon D850, as they sell an adapter for it to digitize old film and slides. :)

Now if you aren't prepared to upgrade to a Nikon D850 :) perhaps the attachment they sell is something you can look into. I do also recall seeing generic adapters through the years that you can mount on a lens to do this too.

But kuddo's to you for coming up with the idea and then building the stand and assembly, in lew of buying a commercial product that looks lie it would work well.
 

AlanLichty

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Very common. At least for me, I have used this method for years. For me it just made sense as my digital camera was a much higher resolution in terms of size compared to any scanner.

So now, since you discovered this, you are going to have to go buy the new Nikon D850, as they sell an adapter for it to digitize old film and slides. :)

Now if you aren't prepared to upgrade to a Nikon D850 :) perhaps the attachment they sell is something you can look into. I do also recall seeing generic adapters through the years that you can mount on a lens to do this too.

But kuddo's to you for coming up with the idea and then building the stand and assembly, in lew of buying a commercial product that looks lie it would work well.
Interesting - not certain why I never even considered trying this before. I have had several generations of camera bodies that were probably better tech than my old SuperCoolScan 4000.

Nikon? Nah - I am far too deep into Canon glass to make a leap like that. I actually went from Nikon to Canon back in the early 90's because I liked the ergonomics of the camera better and am happy with what I am getting with what I have. There's always going to be a next new thing from each company.
 

Ben Egbert

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Good post Alan, I like a project like this. I have thought of it myself, but I don't really like my slides much. I had a terrible time with focus before AF, and all my film stuff is manual focus. I wonder if a good tripod would work in place of a copy stand?
 

AlanLichty

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Good post Alan, I like a project like this. I have thought of it myself, but I don't really like my slides much. I had a terrible time with focus before AF, and all my film stuff is manual focus. I wonder if a good tripod would work in place of a copy stand?
The key goals of the task are to 1) get the camera lens and the slide to be as close to parallel as possible, and 2) set your camera up for macro work at a 1:1 ratio.

You want the contents of a 35mm film frame to fit as close as possible to the edges of the frame of the image you are about to take.

The logistics to meet that certainly could be done with a tripod but gravity isn't on your side :)
 

Ben Egbert

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What I lack is a light table, trying to figure out how to jury rig one, also I don't have extenders, although I gave them to my son in law, guess I could borrow them back.
 

JimFox

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The key goals of the task are to 1) get the camera lens and the slide to be as close to parallel as possible, and 2) set your camera up for macro work at a 1:1 ratio.

You want the contents of a 35mm film frame to fit as close as possible to the edges of the frame of the image you are about to take.

The logistics to meet that certainly could be done with a tripod but gravity isn't on your side :)
A tripod would work great, just reverse the center column. I have done that before. :)
 

Dustin Gent

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I have researched this before, when i was going back to film last fall. But i ended up buying a brand new, sealed Nikon Coolscan V since I wanted the challenge of shooting film. After much debate, i ended up buying Vuescan. Am pretty happy with my results thus far.

If i had stayed with digital (and will eventually buy digital), I would have gone the route you posted about.
 
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