Look and then look again

Discussion in 'Landscape' started by Ken Rennie, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. Ken Rennie

    Ken Rennie Well-Known Member

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    I see many comments about chimping most of which imply that it is a beginners thing. I regularly do it to check whether there is an image within the image. I look at the image on the rear screen and zoom and and look around sections of the image to see if there are any other images hiding. It also lets you see the image in 2d. It may be that other photographers can see in 2 dimensions and can spot small parts of the scene but I can't. This is Lingcove Beck just upstream from the packhorse bridge _DSC5411 copy-1.jpg
    Many of the stones are a blue green colour and the water is this lovely colour. This time I did not look at the image to see if a detail would make a good image much to my regret. Although I think that this is a pleasant image my eye just flows to the bottom left. At home when I zoomed in I saw this. _DSC5411-3.jpg
    For me the image is made by the bright rock front left which anchors your eye as well as causing the main flow to veer to our right. My eyes are held within this image. Unfortunately this image is only 3500px wide so may not poduce as crisp a print as I like. I also took similar images with a range of shutter speeds from 1/80s to this 2.5s. and will probably blend some detail into the faster runs. There may be a different crop with the run below this added.
    All comments welcome Ken
     
  2. Ben Egbert

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    I think I actually prefer the first image. I like the bright foliage at bottom right and the way the stream flows out at the bottom left. Both do of course but the longer run afforded in the first image makes that flow more pronounced. I like your shutter speed, but perhaps just a tad faster.
     
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    I like both of these shots but see them as two different compositions and each with their own merits. Like Ben I like the vegetation down in front on the right in the first image. The second one is a much more intimate scene but definitely a strong composition.

    I really don't agree with the notion that chimping is a beginner's thing at all - just careful photography. I check what I am doing regularly to make sure I really got the shot I wanted. I am usually more focused on water textures (when present) and exposure than composition.
     
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    "image within the image". I've used this description often, usually when debating (on other boards) the value of having lots of pixels at one's disposal. I do a lot of cropping in PPing. However, chimping in the field can uncover these compositions and allow one to put the full force of all available pixels on the scene assuming you can zoom in.
     
  5. Ken Rennie

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    This image was taken from a few feet away from the first one and is 2 images blended most of the water is 2.5s with the faster runs 1/15s. The faster shutter speeds just showed too much foam and froth or at least they do to my eyes. Ken _DSC5410-1.jpg
     
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    I actually prefer the water textures in the first image. It feels a little cleaner in the appearance of the flow through the scene.
     
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    I also prefer the first. What I have noticed is that many image taken at the same speed will look different because of the ever fluctuating flow. Some will look better than others, and I think this is the case here. That is the flow patterns are better in the first. Just a very small thing, but we are nit picking here anyway.
     
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    Great topic Ken.
    I disagree on that thought(imply that it is a beginners thing), composing in the field, on a small screen, thinking: technique, fighting the elements, hoping for light, and other demons, kinda impair our judgment, so i envy those, who can finesse one shot, for quite some time, till they happy.
    So i'll take all advise i can have, to help me improve my decision making, in the field.
    It sounds a bit spoiled, since only few years ago we had no live view, nevertheless its one of the most significant ingredients.

    I find the first to be the strongest.

    Cheers.
     
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    First of all, the technique you mention is a powerful one, but one that I struggle to remember to try to utilize when out shooting, and therefore, like you also mention, I come back and see a powerful image embedded into the larger and less appealing composition I actually captured. Sometimes I can crop and get the effect I wanted, but often that does not work nearly as well as re-framing and re-shooting would have.

    Now that having been said, as others have said too, I personally prefer the first shot in the set. I like the water that comes sweeping towards the viewer in the foreground, and the extra context that the wider full view of the first posted image shows. The 2nd seems a bit more cramped, and less easy to fully appreciate what I am looking at. But that is just one opinion of course, and does not diminish in any way the powerful lesson you are trying to get across with the post.

    I know I personally could really improve a lot of my shoots if I would just slow down and examine what I just captured, before moving on to the next thing.


    ML
     
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    After looking and reading everyone’s comments I had to scroll back to see if I missed something because i had liked your #2 the best. I really like that zig zag flow in it. I don’t think the bottom of #1 is that strong.

    So it’s intereting that after I scrolled back up, I still liked #2 the best, so I will be the odd one here. :)

    As for chimping, I do remember at some point in my digital photography journey seeing others constantly chimping and thinking right away they must be noobies. Maybe it’s normal to have those thoughts as we mature with digital? I don’t chimp every photo I shoot, but I do use the display in the beginning to check exposure and focus. I probably don’t use it to see an image in an image since for me the display is too small for that.

    It’s a great topic that you brought up Ken, it’s a good reminder of the importance of reviewing our images out in the field.
     

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