Canon FF mirrorless white paper added

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  1. Ben Egbert

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    Thanks for posting this Ben.

    Yeah, I am not so sure about that AA filter being on it.

    As with the Nikon FF Mirrorless offering it looks like these guys are rethinking their lens mount, perhaps inspired by the wider lens mount from Sony?
     
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    I am still trying to figure out why I would want something like this over my current 5D MK IV. The only spec advantage I see is that it weighs 230 grams less which is half the weight of my lightest lens. Not even vaguely significant in my books.
     
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    I don't see any mention of a tilt screen, another feature I would like. I would certainly not use this to replace my 5DSR, maybe as a back up however. I suspect I will await the 5DSR replacement. Weight is not an issue at his point.

    My EosM with a 22mm fits in my pocket, this new one probably does not.
     
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    Alan, as a user of the Fuji XPro2 as well as my Canons, I can say that the on-location workflow with mirrorless is really nice. I didn't expect it but I truly like using the mirrorless. The main reason is that since you are always seeing real-time in the viewfinder (electronic in this example) whatever adjustments you make (a common example would be exposure compensation) are visible as you make them. So, you are always seeing exactly what you are about to record as you turn the control. That eliminates the need to review the frame on the rear screen and determine if you need to make an adjustment and re-shoot and then review again. It's such a pleasure. Once I'm setup, I usually just turn off the screen and just get to the next image.
     
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    I was wanting and waiting for the 5DV to get the flip screen on a full frame . After using the one on my 80D this screen is a delight to use. I did see a picture of the R and it appears to have it. -6ev I think is the number for low light focus, which is a lot better then anything else right now from what I heard. No need for micro adjusting for each lens since live view does not need it. For me this would be a home run as long as it is not to small, I have big hands! :D The silent shutter wil come in handy when stalking wildlife also. So I have my fingers crossed and is waiting to see some testing done on them first!
     
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    Oh yeah, thanks for posting this Ben.
     
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    Thanks for posting that Ben - very interesting read. It would appear that the lens optics and distance to the sensor were the primary drivers for the EOS R series camera and the need to leave the older EF series lens series behind. The adapters for using the EF lenses on the new mirrorless body make sense now since they need to get the lens farther away from the sensor to match the assumptions behind the EF lens designs. Canon is heading in an interesting direction with this that leaves a lot of room for future upgrades.

    That said the R series lenses don't cover a lot of ground relative to what I carry about with me when I am shooting right now - only the 24-105mm. From what I read the biggest gains from the new system come with the new glass attached to the camera body so at least for me this is very much a wait and see for whether/when one of these will be building a nest in my camera bags.
     
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    I am about at the end of photography but it is interesting
     
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    For me, the big draws for the EOS R system are 1.) the native lenses and 2.) use of the EVF. The RF 50/1.2 is actually sharp wide open unlike the EF model. According to consensus, the EOS R is basically a mirrorless 6D2. Speculation is a pro model will follow. Whether it will be a high resolution landscape/architecture/studio cam or a fast sports/wildlife model is anyone's guess. I'll be holding for the high resolution camera.
     
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    Hopefully, you'll make it another two weeks. :)
     
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    Rick, I am good for the next two years:)

    Like you, I will probably hold out for the landscape/studio version, but I really have little reason for any update.
     
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    But Ben, you just got new eyes. Stay with it! In fact, I'm getting my IOL's next month.
     
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    you will be glad you did.
     
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    I don't get why people compare to the 6D2. It's the same sensor as the 5D4. Of course, since I'm a landscape still shooter I pretty much only care about the sensor. This is tempting me to replace my 6D for night shooting and my backup camera (5DSR is my main). I like the filter holder adapter. That would make it easy to add polarizers and NDs to several of my lenses that either require a wonderpana (big pain) or can't take them at all. If they launched with a 16-35 I'd probably buy one for sure.
     
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    Kyle, go to DP Review and use their side by side tool and compare the EOS R to the 6D2. Very similar specs except for the sensor and AF points. Of course, some of the real differentiaters may be features that do not appear on a spec sheet. I am not a candidate for any camera less than 50 MPs anyway so I'm just talking and glad that Canon & Nikon have a FF mirrorless of any kind out there.
     
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    As you know, I have a mirrorless camera in addition to two DSLRs. After using the thing for a year now, its not likely I will buy a DLSR ever again. For me, its all about the EVF and being able to see what the heck I am doing. :) I haven't kicked my 5DsR or 645z to the curb yet but the mirrorless is getting most of the work these days.
     
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    I have been making large prints up to 24x36. I have found that 200 dpi is sufficient such that I can't see any quality difference with more pixels. Even 24x36 is a logistic issue for me since I cannot print higher than 17. So I have to purchase 24x36.

    This means that 30 mp would be sufficient for most of my prints, and many of my largest prints are stitched anyway. The AA filter is the main downfall.

    The 24-70 f2.8 mk2 is nearly as good and in some cases better than the new rf28-70 f2 in the MTF charts in the white paper. The 11-24 stands alone so far. Both lenses are sufficient to my needs.

    So, if I got the rf, it would be with the drop in filter adapters and just use my existing lenses.

    But, a week on the road is a long time to be away from home due to stuff only I can do there. I manage this 2 times a year. For the rest of the year, 2-3 day trips within 200 miles of home are the norm and only 2 or 3 of these a year. The rest of my photography is limited to spring of fall local stuff, which I have just about worn out. I have to question the need for a new camera let alone a new system
     
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    So for the record, I've pre-ordered. Happy to review when it arrives in October.
     
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