Canon EOS R Review (updated 12/19)

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  1. Kyle Jones

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    Interesting. Hopefully it is just an Adobe bug. I'll test this weekend. I had been searching for other reports of this and I'm glad you found something.
     
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    No, I haven't noticed any of that type of problem on my direct out of camera images, at least nothing that has stood out enough to notice. I have had a couple of incidents while processing where there has been some strange colors off to the edge of my processed images.
     
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    Thanks for all the hard work Kyle! I’m very interested in the R platform, but like most others, I’m not ready to take the plunge yet. I think mirrorless is the future. I would like to see more high ISO improvements, and on -board image stabilization in the next R camera. Great review!
     
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    Kyle,

    Any updates on your time with the R? I am still now feeling that once the higher MP R family body comes out, I will be buying either it or this body, depending on how the 2 compare on dynamic range and higher ISO performance.

    ML
     
  6. Kyle Jones

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    Not much recently. I did take some interior real estate photos with it and the 17 T/S. Worked well and the camera had no trouble handling the DR in single frames. A couple of examples here. I'm getting used to the touch and drag focusing (I've set it to use the top right corner of the touchscreen). It easy quick and easy to move the focus point around the frame while looking through the view finder - it is just a different action than I'm used to. I'll be using it exclusively on a trip in the next couple of weeks so I'll have more to report then.

    0079 Family Room_850.jpg

    0080 Family and Kitchen_850.jpg
     
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    Kyle,

    Thanks for the update. Good to hear how an accomplished photographer such as yourself is adjusting to some of the new features and the different UI.

    Just saw a rumor about the high rez version of the R that says it might be up at the 75MP range. That is amazing resolution-wise, but I am worried that might keep the DR and higher ISO noise performance at the same levels as that of my existing 5DSr. In that case I would have to seriously consider whether it is worth stepping down in resolution to 30MP to have something that is a little better with DR and high ISO. So I remain very appreciative of your wonderful updates on how you are getting on with the R whenever you can find time, realizing you have a busy schedule to also contend with.

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    I have the same concerns about going to 75MP. I'm starting to feel like 30 or so might be the sweet spot for balancing detail and noise. Looking forward to seeing what comes next though.

    So I spent the last 2 weeks travelling in Israel, Jordan and Egypt with the EOS-R, the 24-70 f/2.8LII and the 15-35 f/4L. Being on a tour, most of my shots were hand held in sub-optimal lighting. I had to rely on ISO to hand hold in some dark places and the DR to pull detail out of dark areas. Overall I really enjoyed using the camera. Using the touch screen to focus really helped when I handed the camera to someone else for a snapshot: just tap the screen to focus it. I've been really happy with the malleability of the files and shooting properly exposed images at ISO 6400 gave me manageable amounts of noise. Some samples below.

    At the same time, with 2 weeks of steady use some of the rough edges start to show up. A few niggles:
    • I like being able to twist the screen when I put the camera away so that it is protected in the bag. However, when I'd grab the camera and try to take a quick shot I'd usually forget to twist it back. Since I use the screen for focus point selection I ended up doing a lot of focus and recompose until I'd eventually pull the camera away from my face and twist the screen around. I have the upper right corner of the screen set to do my focus point selection and it usually worked fine while I was looking for the view finder it was sometimes a little squirrely. I still need to get used to this.
    • The light sensor is annoying. Take a picture and then look at the screen. Try to pinch to zoom to look at details and your fingers trip the proximity sensor and the screen goes off. Try again trying to make sure your fingers don't get near the sensor. Even worse, this happens then the screen is swung away from the camera as well. Probably my biggest complaint.
    • The touch bar is pretty worthless. I set the lock button to lock/unlock the bar (and nothing else). I was using it for changing the display (tough right to toggle the level, touch left to toggle the histogram, slide to zoom). I just can't touch it accurately enough while looking through the viewfinder. Something more tactile would help.
    • I have the control ring adapter and am using the control ring for aperture control. It is nice to have 3 dials to control speed, aperture and ISO. I did find, though, that I had a tendency to accidentally change the aperture. On a tripod this would matter less, since I move more slowly and check what I'm doing better. There were a few times I looked at shots and saw to my surprise that the aperture wasn't what I wanted.
    So that said, I'm heading to Chicago for Christmas. I'm still debating whether to take the EOS0R or 5DSR. I should bring the latter - but I kind of want to bring the former...

    So here are some challenging samples:

    1) This scene in Tel Aviv was completely back lit. I had to push the shadows hard (2 stops or so) to bring out detail.
    0109 Tel Aviv Sunrise_850.jpg

    2) Handheld indoor shot of a 2000 year old boat discovered in the sea of Galilee. Shot at ISO 4000.
    0244 The Galilee Boat_850.jpg

    3) handheld shot inside a dark church at ISO 6400
    0490 Annointing Stone_850.jpg
     
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    Kyle,

    Great info and insights, thanks for taking the time to post them on what has no doubt been a very busy and hectic trip. I have been following your excellent image posts from your travels with excitement, especially realizing they were likely shot with the R.

    It sounds like most of the image quality things are things you are pretty happy with, and it is in some of the UI things that you are having some issues. That seems to mirror what I am seeing written elsewhere to a large extent. I now have one of my shooting buddies owning an R and he has offered to let me borrow it to try it out, so once my newly repaired knee is a little further along I will likely take him up on his kind offer. But like you say, in spite of some trepidation of what a higher resolution R style mirrorless body might have to give away in terms of DR and high ISO noise performance, I will likely wait to see what that looks like before I decide to move away from my trusty 5DSr. Of course, if it turns out that another DSLR style high MP body also does get released then I suppose that gets into the trade space too, although it seems like the consensus is that there is not likely to be a '5DS Mk II" DSLR coming out - Canon will transition this over to the EOS R family going forward. Interesting times ahead.

    Sounds like you had a great trip (and you definitely got some print-worthy images!) - have safe travels and a Happy Holidays, and thanks for your update on using the R!

    ML
     
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    And just to be clear, I really did enjoy using the R for the last two weeks. I feel like it is a great walk-around/travel camera and was fun to use. My complaints really are just niggles.
     
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    yes very good. I am a little bit afraid of borrowing my friend's R, as I feel like it could seriously weaken my resolve on waiting to see what the next high rez offering from Canon brings :) Just the accurate focus and lack of any worry about MFA is almost enough to make me pull the trigger.

    But with you being such a very accomplished scenic/travel/nightscape shooter, I am VERY interested to continue to hear your thoughts contrasting the R with the 5DSr, both in terms of the impact of the step down in resolution, as well as the differing NR/noise performance.

    I routinely print in the 20 x 30 range on metal with my favorite 5DSr shots with no issues whatsoever, even with some moderate cropping, so I would not want to impact that too badly if I did ultimately decide to step down to 30MP. But conversely, I do not like my results whenever i have the 5DSr out under the night sky, even using something like the Rokinon 24 f/1.4 under some of the darkest skies in the lower 48, so better noise performance sure would be nice.

    ML
     
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    Thanks Kyle. I am following this with interest. Do you have the adapter that allows drop in filters? That would be very interesting to me. Being a landscape and tripod guy, the 75 MP version is what I would want.
     
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    They haven't released that adapter yet. I'll buy it as soon as available.
     
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    Good info, Kyle. Thanks for the update.
    I've heard similar comments from customers who have tried the camera, but especially from 'other' brand users, trying to down-play the camera. I still think the image quality is the main thing and all are happy with that.
    I did have two lady customers who were used to using regular dslr's, (in these cases the 6DmII and 5DmIV) and both had carpal tunnel-like wrist problems (both hand-held portrait shooters), but since moving to the R their wrists no longer hurt and they love it!!!
    We are selling far more R's than Z's, for what it's worth. I think people find the R much easier to use, from the outer controls, buttons, dials, etc. and especially the internal menu system. Nikon especially has a bad rap there.
     
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    Yeah, I am always far more interested in image quality than other bells and whistles. I've been really happy with the images and it really has been fun to use.
     
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    Ok Kyle, now that you have used the RS for several months, which is your go to camera for a critical landscape, the RS or 5DSR? I understand that situations vary and one may be better for some stuff and vica vesa, so any thoughts in that vein would be helpful. I am trying to get a sense of how well the RS compares to the 5DSR.

    Also do you have any RS lenses? If so how do you like them.
     
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    I still really enjoy shooting with the R. For my trip to Shasta a few weeks ago I only brought the R - I left the 5DSR at home. I had several reasons:
    1. I planned to do some Milky Way shooting and it is my high ISO camera
    2. I can use the CPL adapter to be able to use a polarizer with my primary star lenses (Tamron 15-30 and Rokinon 14/2.4) to reduce equipment.
    3. Using with the RF 24-105 is great for a walk around system
    I also brought it along with my 5DSR to Alaska. I preferred the 5DSR as the extra resolution is great for cropping wildlife. But the R is easier to shoot. I can focus anywhere (rather than just center) with my f/8 setup and has a higher frame rate. I also like seeing the histogram in the EVF.

    I've only bought the RF 24-105. At this point I still prefer EF lenses just because I can use them on both systems. That'll slowly change over time.
     
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    Thanks Kyle. My primary lens for landscape is the 24-70 f2.8 and it's the sharpest zoom I have ever had, comparable to the 17TSE and 24 TSE. The 24-105 would be a great landscape FL if the image quality was there. I never liked my EF 24-105

    I know the 28-70 is a fantastic lens, but is awful expensive.
     
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    Everything I've seen is that the RF24-105 matches the 24-70/2.8 for IQ. I'm not willing to claim that, but I've had no complaints. The IS helps when using as a walk around.
     
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    I am gathering from your comment about focus anywhere you have started exploring the EVF touch screen interface. The software you have on the R is identical to what I have on the 5D Mk IV. I don't use the touch screen for menu stuff but being able to touch anywhere for setting the metering/focus has been a game changer for my workflow. I used to avoid spending a lot of time moving the metering or focus point around with the little joysticks whereas simply pointing at what you want to meter and then moving back to your focus subject is a complete no brainer and takes seconds without moving the camera.

    I am a serious fan of the user interface improvements with the EVF.

    At least for now the EOS R doesn't have a great attraction for me but I can see where the long term picture for that platform has some serious promise. While it's handy that our old EF series DSLR lenses can be used for now the real advantage of the system will be with the native lenses that can take advantage of shorter distance between the lens elements and the sensor. For now since the EOS R has the same sensor/imaging processors as my current body there is no incentive for me to jump in.

    Next generation sensors however....... stay tuned :)
     
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